130 Gallon Standard Offset - Ben Hur WWII Trailer

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130 Gallon Standard Offset - Ben Hur WWII Trailer

Post by dacolson » April 18th, 2021, 8:28 pm

This will pic heavy since I got a start already. I’ll post details first then post pics.

This will be a trailer build using a 8’ x 24” x 3/8” pipe. I cut about 26” off for the FB leaving just under 70” for the CC - about 130 gallons.
I created a post - https://smokerbuilder.com/forums/viewto ... =13&t=7827 - about splitting the tank lengthwise to release tension in the pipe to keep the doors from springing. The pipe sprung just under 2”. I welded in a filler plate to take up the sprung gap. The door cuts worked perfectly. Straight as an arrow.
For doors, I cut 2 x 27” doors with 5” at each end and between. I’m going to put flanges on the inside leaving the outside clean. Haven’t decided on hinges yet. As heavy as they are, I may opt for a heavier duty hinge and will have to see about counter weights.

There will be four grates in the CC. I will use a throat baffle similar to the one in my last trailer build. I will use a smoke collector at the level of the bottom grate.

The firebox is the 26” cut off from the CC pipe. I’ll cut a door that opens to the bottom of the CC to allow for easy ash clean out - with or without an ash pan. Not sure on grates or vents yet. Pretty sure I’ll do my standard slotted vents - just so I can use my new mag drill. Have to decide on how before I mount it to the CC.

The trailer is going to be a WWII Ben Hur army trailer. I’d been considering restoring it but the bed is too far gone for my limited body work experience for a respectable restore. Still working through how I want to set it up. Not sure if I will use it with or without the box. It’s pretty beat up. I will most likely drop the bed height by putting the axle above the leaf springs with a spacer. I think I can lower it a good 8”. Right now the deck height is 30” which would put the bottom grate at 42” if I bolted the CC right to the deck. I’d like it to be under 40” and sit on a short frame. Whatever I do, I want to make it reversible so the trailer can go back to stock in the future.

Right now, the CC has the doors cut, some of the inside flanges attached, the ends welded on and the throat cut. The doors on not mounted. The FB is has the ends welded on, the throat cut and the door cut. The inside door flanges are attached - and I even remembered to gap them for gaskets.

The only thing I have done with the trailer is to start removing some parts - the fenders, electrical, the really cool honey comb reflectors, and started to remove the gate. And I ordered new tires. I have the original wheels - the ones on it are just there to keep it rolling.

To do next is to get the trailer deck lowered so I can put the CC and FB on it for a burn out. The tan lining on the pipe comes off super easy with heat. There are two layers of thick coating - tan on the outside then green underneath. As the pipe heats, the green layer melts and releases and it peels off in strips. I’m thinking a couple bags of charcoal will get the whole thing warm enough to peel clean. No idea what it is so I’ve been living with a respirator and my fume extractor running full time.

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Post by dacolson » April 18th, 2021, 8:30 pm

Pipe cutting, gap filler plate, doors cut
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Post by dacolson » April 18th, 2021, 8:31 pm

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Post by dacolson » April 18th, 2021, 8:33 pm

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Post by dacolson » April 18th, 2021, 8:37 pm

Ben Hur trailer (fenders off already)

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The tongue wheel is missing. I’ve got a replacement that isn’t original. Still looking for the original.
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Honey comb reflectors. This one is good. The 2nd is beat up. 2 others are missing.
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The brake leaver. Unbelievable, it still works.
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Post by hogaboomer » April 18th, 2021, 9:25 pm

Nice doors!!!


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Post by dacolson » April 18th, 2021, 9:43 pm

hogaboomer wrote:
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Nice doors!!!
Thanks man. Can’t wait to see how it all looks once the coating is off.


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Post by Big T » April 19th, 2021, 6:07 pm

Looks like you're well on your way to another great build! It's good to hear that the coating is coming off fairly easy, I've had some that were more trouble than it was worth to remove them.


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Post by dacolson » April 19th, 2021, 6:26 pm

Thx Big T.
I’m starting to have some heartache about the trailer. I really like the idea of keeping the box but it’s really rotted out around the front where water sat for years. And it’s going to be a real bear to remove. It’s welded to the channel steel the entire way around. I think it’s got to go. Just have to face up to the work.


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Re: 130 Gallon Standard Offset - Ben Hur WWII Trailer

Post by SheffSmoker » April 20th, 2021, 7:31 am

Gonna be a monster, Dave!

It would be a shame to chop up that lovely old trailer, surely there would be a collector or museum that would want it?



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Post by towtruck » April 20th, 2021, 1:17 pm

Nice work so far....and I'm in the camp of making a whole new trailer for it......



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Post by dacolson » April 20th, 2021, 5:51 pm

Alright. I've come to a decision. I have limited budget on this build and I really like the trailer - especially how it looks as is. Not sure I can swing the cost of building a new one. I have been talking to a buddy with some body work experience and he has me convinced we can get it moderately repaired without changes to the design/looks. Additionally, with the exception of removing some sheet metal in the floor where the firebox needs to go, the pit changes wont be permanent. The short list of changes:
- channel steel to replace the top rail of the box sides where they have been bent and damaged.
- remove and reinforce the rusted bottom front of of the box
- Straighten/replace the fenders.
- move the axle from the bottom of the springs to the top to drop 4"
- build a box frame for the pit that will bolt to the trailer frame through the bed.
So aside from a few bolt holes and a piece of sheet metal cut from the bed, everything will be reversible without metal fabrication.


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Post by dacolson » April 27th, 2021, 8:18 pm

Got some work done on the trailer - repacked the bearings and re-mounted the axel above the leaf springs. Lowered 4”. I might add another spacer to pick up a couple more inches. New tires showed up yesterday so I’ll be getting them mounted Friday.

On the pit, I burned out the fb and cc. The paint pealed away in easy strips w a putty knife. Cleaned up great.

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Post by hogaboomer » April 27th, 2021, 10:15 pm

Well, that's pretty handy, being able to peel it off like that.


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Post by dacolson » April 27th, 2021, 10:34 pm

That green layer was under the brown. With a little heat it just started bubbling up and it all peeled right back. Almost like they made it that way on purpose.


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Post by Big T » April 27th, 2021, 10:44 pm

Too bad that they all aren't that easy to remove. What are you using for the tire/wheel combo ?


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Post by dacolson » April 28th, 2021, 7:19 am

Original setup. 3 piece 20” wheel and Firestone (Coker) 750-20 tires.


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Post by RJB » April 28th, 2021, 4:53 pm

Epic build! War wagon and 3/8" pipe. :beer:

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Post by dacolson » April 29th, 2021, 8:56 pm

Got her all polished up and the FB welded on.

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Post by hogaboomer » April 29th, 2021, 10:00 pm

Those doors sure look nice!


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Post by dacolson » April 29th, 2021, 10:36 pm

Thx Boomer. I got them in upside down and in the wrong spots in the bottom pic. Had to tack them in so I could roll the CC while I was sanding it. The top pic has them in the right spots and they fit better. I welded out the inner door flanges w shims for gaskets so they are sitting a little bit off till I get the gaskets in. Now I’m contemplating hinges. Wondering about doing my usual bent rod hinges or changing it up this time. How do you like the style you built on your last pit?


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Post by dacolson » April 29th, 2021, 10:50 pm

RJB wrote:
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Epic build! War wagon and 3/8" pipe. :beer:

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Thanks Rick. War Wagon ... I like it.


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Post by hogaboomer » April 30th, 2021, 7:36 am

dacolson wrote:
April 29th, 2021, 10:36 pm
Thx Boomer. I got them in upside down and in the wrong spots in the bottom pic. Had to tack them in so I could roll the CC while I was sanding it. The top pic has them in the right spots and they fit better. I welded out the inner door flanges w shims for gaskets so they are sitting a little bit off till I get the gaskets in. Now I’m contemplating hinges. Wondering about doing my usual bent rod hinges or changing it up this time. How do you like the style you built on your last pit?
It was a little extra work, but they worked real nice and looked pretty sharp, too.

That was me that commented on your Facebook post yesterday, by the way.


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Post by dacolson » April 30th, 2021, 7:47 am

Ya. I saw your pit in your profile. Thanks for jumping on there. An extra follow/comment always helps. Saw your santa maria on your page. You still liking that setup?


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Post by hogaboomer » April 30th, 2021, 8:59 am

Yeah, I really like the Santa Maria. I got my second build about maybe 3/4 finished.


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