Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » January 26th, 2021, 3:01 am

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6mm is almost 1/4" plate! That will not be easy to bend! How much is it out? Could you just use a gasket?
I didn't measure it but probably about 5mm. I have some rope seal gaskets that I had planned already but they compress down to about 3mm, meaning there could still be a gap?



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Post by dacolson » January 26th, 2021, 9:15 am

That's really tough Pete. You're building a beautiful permanent brick kitchen. It's up to you really, but I'd consider cutting the door and trying to get it straight again before mounting it permanently. That's a bummer. Especially on a thick piece like this.


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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by Big T » January 26th, 2021, 7:42 pm

:yth: If you're anything like me, it'll drive you crazy every time you look at it.


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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » January 27th, 2021, 7:51 am

Just had another investigation and it seems the top and bottom are out by about 3mm, the middle is about -1mm (but only on the left non hinge side)

The beads on the front of the door run the whole length and I think if I try and cut them out I will end up scrapping the whole piece :(

FYI it all probably weighs about 70lbs
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Post by hogaboomer » January 27th, 2021, 12:42 pm

Rig something to hold the two sides down and push the middle with a bottle jack.


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Post by hogaboomer » January 27th, 2021, 12:52 pm

This is what we use at work for straightening bowed pipe
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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » January 27th, 2021, 1:49 pm

hogaboomer wrote:
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Rig something to hold the two sides down and push the middle with a bottle jack.
This is similar to what I was thinking thanks. Put a piece of 12mm round bar between the frame and door at the 'low' part, close the door so the round bar is trapped then 4x G clamps on each corner. Heating and tightening at the same time to bring or back in.



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Post by hogaboomer » January 27th, 2021, 4:08 pm

That should work. Be careful you don't go too far and put a crease in the middle


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Post by dacolson » January 27th, 2021, 7:32 pm

Good luck BigPete!! Fingers crossed sir.


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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by Dirtytires » January 28th, 2021, 11:04 am

Might just be time to buy a shop press....I had no idea how often I would use it but now can’t imagine being without it.



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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » January 29th, 2021, 8:11 am

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Might just be time to buy a shop press....I had no idea how often I would use it but now can’t imagine being without it.
Haha I wish, I'd take a picture or my garage/workshop but 1) it's embarrassing the state of it and 2) there's literally zero space left!!

I did manage to bend the door back in and it seems a lot better. Not perfect but much better than before!! Between the hinges might need a little tweaking but should be good!! :)
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Post by dacolson » January 29th, 2021, 8:40 am

Looks better. Nice work.


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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by Cole Leffert » January 29th, 2021, 12:04 pm

Nice work!!!



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Post by BigPete » February 2nd, 2021, 1:56 pm

Never thought I'd be struggling to get my hole :D... Been drilling holes for thermometers (20mm) in the 6mm plate and destroyed 2 bits already just to get 1 and a half holes...

Tried slow and letting cool between each size as I'm going up. Also tried fast but am still struggling... What am I missing?? lol



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Post by dacolson » February 2nd, 2021, 2:17 pm

Are you using tap oil? Or WD40. Heat can cause work hardening which is hard on bits so you want to avoid it vs just letting it cool. Slower is better and use oil. It sounds like you are starting with a smaller bit and moving up? That can help but I find that using a step bit to get you most of the way is a lot easier on the bits. Also, if you are hand drilling, keep as steady as possible. A little sideways torque can snap you right off. Any larger than 20mm and I'd switch to a hole saw through that 6mm steel on a hand drill.

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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by Big T » February 2nd, 2021, 10:46 pm

I drilled several 7/8'' holes in 3/8'' plate on a cooker that I built about 10 years ago and it was a nightmare. When I was building my next cooker I started dreading having to drill the holes for my thermometers and someone recommended blowing a hole with a torch and welding a threaded coupler in the hole. I have used this method to mount my thermometers from that day forward.


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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » February 3rd, 2021, 3:15 am

dacolson wrote:
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Are you using tap oil? Or WD40. Heat can cause work hardening which is hard on bits so you want to avoid it vs just letting it cool. Slower is better and use oil. It sounds like you are starting with a smaller bit and moving up? That can help but I find that using a step bit to get you most of the way is a lot easier on the bits. Also, if you are hand drilling, keep as steady as possible. A little sideways torque can snap you right off. Any larger than 20mm and I'd switch to a hole saw through that 6mm steel on a hand drill.

Step bit:
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Tap oil:
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I wasnt using oil, after a bit of research yesterday I think i'll have to do that. Yes it seems that one hole is much harder now (I guess due to hardening) :( I also learnt the sideways torque lesson the hard way, thankfully a broken bit rather than a broken wrist!
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I drilled several 7/8'' holes in 3/8'' plate on a cooker that I built about 10 years ago and it was a nightmare. When I was building my next cooker I started dreading having to drill the holes for my thermometers and someone recommended blowing a hole with a torch and welding a threaded coupler in the hole. I have used this method to mount my thermometers from that day forward.
Thats a good idea, I'd need to check the threads/depth as the thermometers are different from the 'probe type' ones.
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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by Cole Leffert » February 3rd, 2021, 8:37 am

You can't over do the oil but not enough and you will work harden the steel and mess up the heat treat on the drill and the drill will be trash and keep the rpm slow!



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Post by BigPete » February 4th, 2021, 1:26 pm

Cole Leffert wrote:
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You can't over do the oil but not enough and you will work harden the steel and mess up the heat treat on the drill and the drill will be trash and keep the rpm slow!
Just did a smaller hole and threaded it for the handles, worked so much better with oil thanks!

Random question, if I'm making grills from mild steel do I need to remove the mill scale?

Also 1 or 2 handles/locks on the door. @Cole I saw you did 2 locks, any reason why you did?



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Post by dacolson » February 4th, 2021, 5:27 pm

No need to remove mill scale on the grill. Seasoning will cover.


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Post by Dirtytires » February 4th, 2021, 8:46 pm

Use a hole saw....so much easier.



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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by Cole Leffert » February 5th, 2021, 8:38 am

BigPete wrote:
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You can't over do the oil but not enough and you will work harden the steel and mess up the heat treat on the drill and the drill will be trash and keep the rpm slow!
Just did a smaller hole and threaded it for the handles, worked so much better with oil thanks!

Random question, if I'm making grills from mild steel do I need to remove the mill scale?

Also 1 or 2 handles/locks on the door. @Cole I saw you did 2 locks, any reason why you did?
I probably didn't need it but I am a big fan of building stuff overkill!! Two wasn't going to hurt anything but one could possible not be enough! More important, I thought it looked cool!!! :D



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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » February 6th, 2021, 5:28 am

Haha yes it does look cool.

Check this out, I'm still struggling to get this hole widened from 16/18mm to 20mm. A brand new bit, slowly with oil did absolutely nothing. Really at a loss how to get this drilled I guess as it's hardened now.

Here's the b@stard hole vs one that went ok.
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Here's also the handle, end drilled, tapped and finished with a countersunk washer.
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Post by BigPete » February 6th, 2021, 5:32 am

Dirtytires wrote:
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Use a hole saw....so much easier.
Have one on order after all the swearing at 9am this morning :D



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Post by dacolson » February 6th, 2021, 9:20 am

BigPete wrote:
February 6th, 2021, 5:28 am
Haha yes it does look cool.

Check this out, I'm still struggling to get this hole widened from 16/18mm to 20mm. A brand new bit, slowly with oil did absolutely nothing. Really at a loss how to get this drilled I guess as it's hardened now.

Here's the b@stard hole vs one that went ok.20210206_102604.jpg
20210206_102618.jpg

Here's also the handle, end drilled, tapped and finished with a countersunk washer.

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Your step bit is trashed at the width you are at. Dull. It’s done.

Here’s a tip to drill that hole you’ve already started once you get your hole saw. It will be hard to finish your existing hole since it’s larger than your pilot hole for the saw. Cut a hole with your hole saw in a piece of scrap. Then clamp or tack the scrap over the hole you’re trying to finish as a guide. It will make finishing that hole so much easier. Use your cutting oil a lot with the hole saw as well. Don’t put too much pressure on it while you cut.


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