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Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » July 4th, 2020, 2:24 pm

Just starting a new thread as I'm planning an outdoor kitchen build with offset and vertical smoker, churrasco and BBQ. Based in Scotland, UK.

Will update and add design plans soon.



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Post by Dirtytires » July 4th, 2020, 9:58 pm

Excited to see what your end up with.



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Post by towtruck » July 4th, 2020, 10:21 pm

Looking forward to your build!



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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » July 9th, 2020, 3:15 am

Does anyone know how a flame cut compares to a laser cut on 6mm sheet steel? Just costing up someone laser cutting my steel vs flame cuts and then me having to tidy everything up later!

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Post by Dirtytires » July 9th, 2020, 10:58 am

A laser cut will result in a near-perfect edge and a precisely straight cut that will require nearly no finishing work before assembly.

If cut by hand, either torch or plasma, the finished cut will be much rougher and will require more work before assembly. They still typically use a straight edge but lines are laid out by hand and usually have a +/- of 0.125 inch. Now this doesn’t mean that you have to rework every piece. For instance, who cares if your firebox sides are a little rough or the baffle plate is 0.0625” longer on one edge and most of this will be covered in weld anyway.

I decided to hand plasma cut all my own pieces. Used a piece of 0.25” plate for my firebox door so wanted square edges..spent a lot of time on it. Almost every other piece had a flange or a weld on it so edge imperfection were not important.



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Post by tinspark » July 10th, 2020, 1:23 am

If you will be having a shop pre-cut your parts. Laser is very slow compared to a cnc plasma cutter. (time is money) I'd look into CNC plasma cutting. Just be sure that the parts are all clean (no dross) before you weld them or you will get porosity in your welds, If the Plas-cutter is set up correctly, there will be little to no dross on the edges. The shop will likely take it off if there is, because that often indicated a settings issue, worn consumables or operator error. I was always too proud to send a customer a crappy dross filled part, so I would always take it off as if I were going to be the guy welding the part. Or as DT says, cut your own parts. Get the price to have them drawn and converted to DXF files and then cut , then you may be able to justify buying your own plasma cutter for close to the same money...IMHO


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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » July 14th, 2020, 2:01 am

Thanks guys, it turns out nobody would do the laser cutting for a decent price here, so will have flame cut then grind back, I'd added an extra 5mm on each piece - which in hindsight might have been a little much. But the order is placed and delivery in a few days.

I'll need to work out a counterbalance as by my calculations the lid alone is at least 50kg.
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Post by towtruck » July 14th, 2020, 9:55 am

That looks like a big project!



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Post by Dirtytires » July 14th, 2020, 10:59 am

Agree....it looks like you are going to be pretty busy in the near future.

And yes, I would order a boatload of grinding wheels! I learned the hard way that cheep wheels are just junk. They vibrate, wear away quickly and don’t cut well. I experimented and found that the better wheels more than justify the increase in cost will a much longer lifespan and grinding properties.



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Post by BigPete » July 14th, 2020, 2:12 pm

Yep, even to get foundations I'm going to need a mini digger. What started as a few £100 has already added a zero, but don't want to throw money into cheap smokers/BBQs that only last 2-3 seasons.

Good to know about the grinding wheels, the neighbors are going to be pissed with the cutting, welding and grinding though :ymsmug:

Any suggestions for the counterbalance? I was thinking a crescent shape that rotates around the hinge point down the back of the smoker (as it's got about 150mm from the wall)?



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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by Big T » July 14th, 2020, 7:18 pm

That's your best bet on a counterweight. I used square tubing and played with the height, weight and angle until I got it where I wanted it. My door is pretty heavy and it opens with very little effort.


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Post by dacolson » July 14th, 2020, 10:01 pm

150mm isn’t much room for the typical counter balance. Maybe some sort of cable/pulley system with weights at the end? Trying to dig up where I saw a similar setup. Interesting challenge.


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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by tinspark » July 15th, 2020, 12:34 am

BigPete wrote:
July 14th, 2020, 2:01 am
I'll need to work out a counterbalance as by my calculations the lid alone is at least 50kg.
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50 kilograms is about 110 lbs US. that will definitely need some sort of counterbalance!!
yeah, we aren't used to metric here in the states. 150 mm converts to only about 5-7/8" behind your smoker. That's not much room at all! maybe a center pole and pulley with a counterweight and cable that pulls the lid straight up and back like "dacolson" said. But you would be inventing the wheel on this one. Maybe someone has seen something that will work with less than 6" of space..

Another option may be gas cylinders like these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ihd0hVP1po
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Post by BigPete » July 15th, 2020, 1:55 am

Here in the UK our windows years ago used to be called Sash windows that ran pretty much the same way a pulley and counterweight that offset the window weight. However my concern with a pulley system over here is 1) the weather and its impact on things and 2) its mechanical - if the pulley was to fail while the lid is up it could easily injure someone, especially if they are leaning in etc. Ideally I want to keep it as simple as possible for this very reason.

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Heres what I had in mind (3 of these along the lid) connected by a weighted bar, the weight starting just after top dead centre and rotating around the hinge axis.
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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by BigPete » July 15th, 2020, 4:21 am

tinspark wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 12:34 am
BigPete wrote:
July 14th, 2020, 2:01 am
I'll need to work out a counterbalance as by my calculations the lid alone is at least 50kg.
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Another option may be gas cylinders like these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ihd0hVP1po
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGYwvxEahHQ
I think i'd need to check the temp rating of these, if it was just a smoker (not BBQ also) the temp would be much lower so less of a concern? I've experience of trying to 'size' these for a storage box (length and strength) and, honestly the math behind it was beyond my ability! :D



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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by Pete Mazz » July 15th, 2020, 4:54 am

Thought this one was cool .

https://i.imgur.com/Ca3SUaU.mp4

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Post by dacolson » July 15th, 2020, 7:15 am

Great idea. Heavy spring back there is brilliant


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Post by BigPete » July 15th, 2020, 7:21 am

Yep and adjustable with those turnbuckles. I also have a few heavy springs from a washing machine lying around, might be able to macgyver something :D



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Post by dacolson » July 15th, 2020, 7:26 am

Gotta see what you put together. Pics on that for sure please.


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Post by SheffSmoker » July 15th, 2020, 7:27 am

BigPete wrote:
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Yep and adjustable with those turnbuckles. I also have a few heavy springs from a washing machine lying around, might be able to macgyver something :D
A man after my own heart - but with 1000 times more ambition looking at this beast! Knocks my scrapheap challenge propane bottle smoker into next week. Which bit of Scotland are you in, Pete?



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Post by BigPete » July 15th, 2020, 7:44 am

Ha lets wait and see if I actually get it completed first :D I'm based in Edinburgh, Scotland



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Post by SheffSmoker » July 15th, 2020, 7:50 am

Next time I'm at Hillend ski slope I'll scan the horizon for smoke ;)



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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by Dirtytires » July 15th, 2020, 10:23 am

Obviously depends on how your lid hinges but I have a 24 inch pipe smoker with the hinge at the top. My counterweight is a 4.5” o.d. Pipe filled with scrap. At full open it lays on the tank but only protrudes 4 inches past the edge of the tank during the swing.

Works great and my door will ‘balance’ half open.



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Post by BigPete » July 15th, 2020, 10:53 am

SheffSmoker wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 7:50 am
Next time I'm at Hillend ski slope I'll scan the horizon for smoke ;)
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Dirtytires wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 10:23 am
Obviously depends on how your lid hinges but I have a 24 inch pipe smoker with the hinge at the top. My counterweight is a 4.5” o.d. Pipe filled with scrap. At full open it lays on the tank but only protrudes 4 inches past the edge of the tank during the swing.

Works great and my door will ‘balance’ half open.
The hinges I'd planned are quite simple, 12mm solid bar inside a 15mm (OD) tube, welded fixed on one side with the free side able to rotate, 3 across the top with pin's/circlips to allow me to remove / move separately due to the weight.



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Re: Brick Offset & Vertical Smoker with Outdoor Kitchen

Post by tinspark » July 15th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Man U guys have some GREAT ideas!!
A lot of "Smoker Builder" experience on this forum, for sure
That's why it's one of my favorite sites
Please post what you come up with BigPete
And if you do a video of it in action and post to YouTube, possibly add a link
Looks like a beautiful design!


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