First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Horizontal smokers with a side firebox and tuning plates.
Post Reply
Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » December 28th, 2018, 7:14 pm

Chromeski wrote:Those wheels look heavy
Lol. Those are weights.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



Chromeski
Expert
Expert
Posts: 510
Joined: July 20th, 2018, 6:59 pm

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chromeski » December 28th, 2018, 10:42 pm

Chukknob wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 7:14 pm
Chromeski wrote:Those wheels look heavy
Lol. Those are weights.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That's exactly what I thought they were



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » December 28th, 2018, 10:43 pm

Chromeski wrote:
Chukknob wrote:
December 28th, 2018, 7:14 pm
Chromeski wrote:Those wheels look heavy
Lol. Those are weights.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That's exactly what I thought they were
I’m not using those as wheels btw. They were just there in my way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk




Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » December 28th, 2018, 10:53 pm

Made a big mistake today. Apparently I know not what I’m doing. Aside from other obvious issues I mounted this too far back. Now I need to cut out all the cross members I put in and scoot this forward quite a bit. Too much weight at the rear. Image


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » December 28th, 2018, 10:56 pm

Image

Probably need to move it forward at least a foot or more.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



User avatar
Dirtytires
Expert
Expert
Posts: 2312
Joined: November 24th, 2015, 12:36 am
Title: It ain't broke...yet
BBQ Comp Team Name: Dont compete...cook for events once in a while
Location: Phoenix, Az

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Dirtytires » December 28th, 2018, 11:01 pm

Yes. I would go at least a foot. You want a fair amount of tongue weight as a rear-weighted trailer is difficult/dangerous to pull.



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » December 29th, 2018, 12:00 am

Dirtytires wrote:Yes. I would go at least a foot. You want a fair amount of tongue weight as a rear-weighted trailer is difficult/dangerous to pull.
Is there a way to calculate this or am I just eyeballing it?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



User avatar
Big T
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 5650
Joined: September 1st, 2013, 2:40 pm
Title: Go Getter
BBQ Comp Team Name: Backyard Boys
Location: Lower Alabama

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Big T » December 29th, 2018, 1:06 am

Tongue weight is normally 9% - 14% of the total trailer weight. If you aren't adding anything to the front of the trailer, then the FB is usually very close to the axle. I made the same mistake on the first trailer rig that I built using a trailer very similar to yours. I bought new spring mounts from the local supply store for less than $10 and moved the axle back. It sounds like a lot of work but it was quicker and easier than cutting the cross members loose and moving the whole assembly forward.


Measure Twice.....Cut Three Times.

Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » December 29th, 2018, 1:26 am

I’m gonna add some weight to the front but it won’t be nearly enough. It already has 3-45 lb weights on the front to keep it from flipping!

I’ll research the new leaf hangers and see what I can come up with.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



User avatar
Dirtytires
Expert
Expert
Posts: 2312
Joined: November 24th, 2015, 12:36 am
Title: It ain't broke...yet
BBQ Comp Team Name: Dont compete...cook for events once in a while
Location: Phoenix, Az

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Dirtytires » December 29th, 2018, 11:15 am

That’s not good....it’ll flip right off your ball hitch every time you hit a bump.

Moving it forward 20-24 inches would shorten your overall trailer as well as put the wheel/fender mostly out of the way of the cook chamber so you won’t kick it every time you walk up to it. I would start with the back of the firebox even with the ends of the frame-rail and go from there.



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » December 29th, 2018, 10:03 pm

Thanks everyone. I’m almost there. I added a new cross member and this time I tacked some flat bar on top of the square tube so I can slide it across the rails to test fit everything. My buddy Aj’s Cookers gave me that tip. The door was removed so I threw it in the cc to account for the weight. I’m very close. Next I will add another cross member to the front and relocate the front mounts. I wish they weren’t so ugly but they’ll be hidden by most of the accessories.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



User avatar
Dirtytires
Expert
Expert
Posts: 2312
Joined: November 24th, 2015, 12:36 am
Title: It ain't broke...yet
BBQ Comp Team Name: Dont compete...cook for events once in a while
Location: Phoenix, Az

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Dirtytires » December 30th, 2018, 12:39 am

Nice....the extra effort to do it the right way will pay off.



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » December 31st, 2018, 4:41 pm

Much better. Redid the cross members and now the tongue weight seems to be right. It’s heavy up front but not heavy enough to lift. I realized the firebox door wasn’t on, the cc door and the racks. I mocked it up to balance it out. I won’t weld it down until it’s all done. Image


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » January 1st, 2019, 12:06 am

ImageImageImageImage


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



User avatar
mp4
Expert
Expert
Posts: 1156
Joined: September 2nd, 2014, 6:28 pm
Title: Independent Thinker
BBQ Comp Team Name: Just a few backyard for fun competitions.
Location: Central Wisconsin

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by mp4 » January 1st, 2019, 4:06 am

That looks to be perfect - I like it!



User avatar
Big T
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 5650
Joined: September 1st, 2013, 2:40 pm
Title: Go Getter
BBQ Comp Team Name: Backyard Boys
Location: Lower Alabama

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Big T » January 1st, 2019, 2:07 pm

:LG:


Measure Twice.....Cut Three Times.

User avatar
Dirtytires
Expert
Expert
Posts: 2312
Joined: November 24th, 2015, 12:36 am
Title: It ain't broke...yet
BBQ Comp Team Name: Dont compete...cook for events once in a while
Location: Phoenix, Az

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Dirtytires » January 3rd, 2019, 11:45 am

Great job...it even looks better, in my opinion. Nice how it shortened your total legnth up. You could get rid of those frame rails behind the axle by putting the tail lights on the fenders and it would cut another couple of inches.

Nice progress.



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » January 3rd, 2019, 11:48 am

Dirtytires wrote:Great job...it even looks better, in my opinion. Nice how it shortened your total legnth up. You could get rid of those frame rails behind the axle by putting the tail lights on the fenders and it would cut another couple of inches.

Nice progress.
Thank you. I remember someone commenting that I would need to shorten the trailer at some point. Lol. Guess they were right.

The plan is to chop off the rails behind the fenders and then weld a crossmember directly the the firebox to more sturdiness.

Where would you put the lights on the fenders? I cut them off already and just planned on using the same mounts just relocated where the newly shortened rails were.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



User avatar
Dirtytires
Expert
Expert
Posts: 2312
Joined: November 24th, 2015, 12:36 am
Title: It ain't broke...yet
BBQ Comp Team Name: Dont compete...cook for events once in a while
Location: Phoenix, Az

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Dirtytires » January 3rd, 2019, 11:56 am

I’d put them on the back, middle of the fender. Tuck them up clean against the frame rail.



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » January 5th, 2019, 5:02 pm

Do you prefer the firebox door flanges welded on from the inside or outside? Inside looks cleaner but I’m not sure the welds will interfere with the door closing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



User avatar
mp4
Expert
Expert
Posts: 1156
Joined: September 2nd, 2014, 6:28 pm
Title: Independent Thinker
BBQ Comp Team Name: Just a few backyard for fun competitions.
Location: Central Wisconsin

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by mp4 » January 5th, 2019, 6:25 pm

Chukknob wrote:Do you prefer the firebox door flanges welded on from the inside or outside? Inside looks cleaner but I’m not sure the welds will interfere with the door closing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I like them on the inside. I weld them on the inside so it doesn't interfere with the door sealing.



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » January 6th, 2019, 1:23 am

mp4 wrote:
Chukknob wrote:Do you prefer the firebox door flanges welded on from the inside or outside? Inside looks cleaner but I’m not sure the welds will interfere with the door closing.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I like them on the inside. I weld them on the inside so it doesn't interfere with the door sealing.
How exactly do you do that?

Do you notch out the door and put the welds there? I already welded them on the outside but I’m curious. My door ended up warping a bit. I did 2-3 inch welds on the flat bar and when I got to the third one the tack broke and the door sprung. Maybe if I had already put the X bracket on the back of the door that wouldn’t have happened?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



User avatar
mp4
Expert
Expert
Posts: 1156
Joined: September 2nd, 2014, 6:28 pm
Title: Independent Thinker
BBQ Comp Team Name: Just a few backyard for fun competitions.
Location: Central Wisconsin

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by mp4 » January 6th, 2019, 5:56 am

My bad - I was thinking cook chamber, not firebox.



Chukknob
Wants More tools
Wants More tools
Posts: 107
Joined: December 19th, 2015, 1:21 am

Re: First Build. Cart first or later? Centering door

Post by Chukknob » January 6th, 2019, 9:48 pm

Anyone know how to flatten a firebox door that warped a bit? Probably 1/4” overall.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



Post Reply

Return to “Standard Offsets”